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	<title>Comments on: The *New* Mozilla Store is Now Open for Business</title>
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	<description>Mozilla creative, branding and other random thoughts.</description>
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		<title>By: The Mozilla International Store is Open &#124; Giant Spatula &#62; a Rolnitzky blog</title>
		<link>http://www.intothefuzz.com/2007/08/16/the-new-mozilla-store-is-now-open-for-business/#comment-1771</link>
		<dc:creator>The Mozilla International Store is Open &#124; Giant Spatula &#62; a Rolnitzky blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] mirror each other. For more background about the relaunch of the Mozilla Store project, check out John&#8217;s post from earlier this [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Operation Firefox Log &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Test post 2</title>
		<link>http://www.intothefuzz.com/2007/08/16/the-new-mozilla-store-is-now-open-for-business/#comment-1105</link>
		<dc:creator>Operation Firefox Log &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Test post 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] including a Store Blog, Community Spotlight and the ability for people to comment on each item. (view more details about the new [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Lpullar39</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lpullar39</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 04:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love everything about Mozilla and Firefox. I have also read deep into the projects that you presently working on. I went through the store and found lots of t-shirts that I loved and wanted. But being a big busted woman, v-necks are all about I can wear. Unless I buy extra large and then they are too big everywhere else. So if you could produce some really great v-necks, I will most definitely will buy.  I already tell everyone about Mozilla. I know we will Grow as a Team.  Gods Speed Laura</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love everything about Mozilla and Firefox. I have also read deep into the projects that you presently working on. I went through the store and found lots of t-shirts that I loved and wanted. But being a big busted woman, v-necks are all about I can wear. Unless I buy extra large and then they are too big everywhere else. So if you could produce some really great v-necks, I will most definitely will buy.  I already tell everyone about Mozilla. I know we will Grow as a Team.  Gods Speed Laura</p>
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		<title>By: The Mozilla Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Announcing the Grand Re-Opening of the Mozilla Store</title>
		<link>http://www.intothefuzz.com/2007/08/16/the-new-mozilla-store-is-now-open-for-business/#comment-290</link>
		<dc:creator>The Mozilla Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Announcing the Grand Re-Opening of the Mozilla Store</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] including a Store Blog, Community Spotlight and the ability for people to comment on each item. (view more details about the new [...]</description>
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		<title>By: tim ferro &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Mozilla Overhauls Web Store</title>
		<link>http://www.intothefuzz.com/2007/08/16/the-new-mozilla-store-is-now-open-for-business/#comment-288</link>
		<dc:creator>tim ferro &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Mozilla Overhauls Web Store</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mozilla Store, which sells Firefox t-shirt and merchandise, has undergone a major overhaul, and now has some nifty new stuff.&#8221; - [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Mozilla Store Reloaded : Mozilla Links</title>
		<link>http://www.intothefuzz.com/2007/08/16/the-new-mozilla-store-is-now-open-for-business/#comment-286</link>
		<dc:creator>The Mozilla Store Reloaded : Mozilla Links</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: JustZisGuy</title>
		<link>http://www.intothefuzz.com/2007/08/16/the-new-mozilla-store-is-now-open-for-business/#comment-285</link>
		<dc:creator>JustZisGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like the new design, and I'm going to have to grab me some of those new shirts. 

Have you guys considered selling Firefox bumper stickers? 

How about Firefox pens or pencils? I whipped up some of my own Firefox pencils using Inkhead.com and people seem quite enthusiastic about them. 

I see the books are gone. Perhaps eventually we will see some nice fresh ones for Firefox 3?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like the new design, and I&#8217;m going to have to grab me some of those new shirts. </p>
<p>Have you guys considered selling Firefox bumper stickers? </p>
<p>How about Firefox pens or pencils? I whipped up some of my own Firefox pencils using Inkhead.com and people seem quite enthusiastic about them. </p>
<p>I see the books are gone. Perhaps eventually we will see some nice fresh ones for Firefox 3?</p>
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		<title>By: Gérard Talbot</title>
		<link>http://www.intothefuzz.com/2007/08/16/the-new-mozilla-store-is-now-open-for-business/#comment-282</link>
		<dc:creator>Gérard Talbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,

 1- "Please don’t hurt the web, use open standards"
      should not be identified with the mascot - sort of - of a single browser from a single browser manufacturer. The whole idea of web standards is exactly above browser manufacturer because web standards do not target or specify a single browser, and not even a single medium.

  developer.mozilla.org does not have the monopoly of web standards knowledge and is certainly &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; the ideal place to claim web standards compliance. The last time I edited a webpage at MDC, I was notified by email to stop using true and genuine markup code such as &#60;p&#62; and &#60;/p&#62; and to just instead use the wiki code... and I was editing the webpage "Using web standards in your web pages" hosted at MDC! Totally unbelievable!

 2- Mozilla.org has not been active in the Tech Evangelism department for years now: no one can seriously claim otherwise.

  Creating a T-shirt of this type won't change an iota for millions of webpages which do not render as expected by their authors. Making more senseless back-end efforts into supporting MSIE implementation bugs - that's right, MSIE implementation bugs - will not solve any problem, will not help anyone and will not improve the web. So, on one hand, some people can wear a T-Shirt about protecting, caring about web standards and, at the same time, use a browser that is becoming more and more IE-bugward-convenient, therefore removing any real need to follow and comply with W3C web standards. Blatant contradiction and a major one.

 3- "Please don’t hurt the web, use open standards"
 should not be referring to mistreated animal, animal cruelty, wildlife animal trembling in fear, anxiety, stress, fearing for his life, sitting on a melted/melting artic pole, etc.. I totally and unequivocally disagree with the use of that image: it sends a wrong message. It misuses the image of animal cruelty to convey badly battered markup code, hacks of all sorts in webpages, etc.. There is a huge difference between the 2.
 Same thing with promoting a browser with a woman in a sexy outfit or with obvious sex-appeal: it should not be acceptable advertisement.
      If you're selling a web concept, a web browser or a web [development] organization, you should not be "selling" or conveying pity, sex or anything of the sort.

      4- &lt;strong&gt;The very first place where web standards have been truly mistreated is in store.mozilla.org. Period.&lt;/strong&gt;

      Bug 305106      https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=305106
      and bug 326708      https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326708
      are where efforts should be put and not onto selling a better T-shirt that webstandards.org or the W3C or that the SPCA or WWF (or animal defense groups) should be selling. Whoever is responsible for such decision truly misunderstand the real issues involved here and the communication of these.

      "Mozilla offers the best implementations of Internet standards." Yes, right, ... except in its own store selling T-shirt about not hurting the web and using web standards that are repeatedly ignored in broad day light in its own webpages.

John, remove that T-shirt from the store and fix store.mozilla.org and related bugs.

Gérard Talbot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p> 1- &#8220;Please don’t hurt the web, use open standards&#8221;<br />
      should not be identified with the mascot - sort of - of a single browser from a single browser manufacturer. The whole idea of web standards is exactly above browser manufacturer because web standards do not target or specify a single browser, and not even a single medium.</p>
<p>  developer.mozilla.org does not have the monopoly of web standards knowledge and is certainly <b>not</b> the ideal place to claim web standards compliance. The last time I edited a webpage at MDC, I was notified by email to stop using true and genuine markup code such as &lt;p&gt; and &lt;/p&gt; and to just instead use the wiki code&#8230; and I was editing the webpage &#8220;Using web standards in your web pages&#8221; hosted at MDC! Totally unbelievable!</p>
<p> 2- Mozilla.org has not been active in the Tech Evangelism department for years now: no one can seriously claim otherwise.</p>
<p>  Creating a T-shirt of this type won&#8217;t change an iota for millions of webpages which do not render as expected by their authors. Making more senseless back-end efforts into supporting MSIE implementation bugs - that&#8217;s right, MSIE implementation bugs - will not solve any problem, will not help anyone and will not improve the web. So, on one hand, some people can wear a T-Shirt about protecting, caring about web standards and, at the same time, use a browser that is becoming more and more IE-bugward-convenient, therefore removing any real need to follow and comply with W3C web standards. Blatant contradiction and a major one.</p>
<p> 3- &#8220;Please don’t hurt the web, use open standards&#8221;<br />
 should not be referring to mistreated animal, animal cruelty, wildlife animal trembling in fear, anxiety, stress, fearing for his life, sitting on a melted/melting artic pole, etc.. I totally and unequivocally disagree with the use of that image: it sends a wrong message. It misuses the image of animal cruelty to convey badly battered markup code, hacks of all sorts in webpages, etc.. There is a huge difference between the 2.<br />
 Same thing with promoting a browser with a woman in a sexy outfit or with obvious sex-appeal: it should not be acceptable advertisement.<br />
      If you&#8217;re selling a web concept, a web browser or a web [development] organization, you should not be &#8220;selling&#8221; or conveying pity, sex or anything of the sort.</p>
<p>      4- <strong>The very first place where web standards have been truly mistreated is in store.mozilla.org. Period.</strong></p>
<p>      Bug 305106      <a href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=305106" rel="nofollow">https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=305106</a><br />
      and bug 326708      <a href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326708" rel="nofollow">https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326708</a><br />
      are where efforts should be put and not onto selling a better T-shirt that webstandards.org or the W3C or that the SPCA or WWF (or animal defense groups) should be selling. Whoever is responsible for such decision truly misunderstand the real issues involved here and the communication of these.</p>
<p>      &#8220;Mozilla offers the best implementations of Internet standards.&#8221; Yes, right, &#8230; except in its own store selling T-shirt about not hurting the web and using web standards that are repeatedly ignored in broad day light in its own webpages.</p>
<p>John, remove that T-shirt from the store and fix store.mozilla.org and related bugs.</p>
<p>Gérard Talbot</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Dowling</title>
		<link>http://www.intothefuzz.com/2007/08/16/the-new-mozilla-store-is-now-open-for-business/#comment-280</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Dowling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"the new Store is only available in North America" - the website shipping section seems to indicate only the US is supported.  Obviously that doesn't include Canada, let alone those poor French folks in St Pierre et Miquelon :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the new Store is only available in North America&#8221; - the website shipping section seems to indicate only the US is supported.  Obviously that doesn&#8217;t include Canada, let alone those poor French folks in St Pierre et Miquelon <img src='http://www.intothefuzz.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: pascalc</title>
		<link>http://www.intothefuzz.com/2007/08/16/the-new-mozilla-store-is-now-open-for-business/#comment-279</link>
		<dc:creator>pascalc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since you have plenty of international mozillian in MV for the all hands meeting, you should make pictures of them as well to illustrate the international store ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you have plenty of international mozillian in MV for the all hands meeting, you should make pictures of them as well to illustrate the international store <img src='http://www.intothefuzz.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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